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	<title>Comments on: PR spam &#8211; it&#8217;s tricky, it&#8217;s a losing battle but education is needed</title>
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		<title>By: Agencies have nowhere to hide in social media land // Danny Whatmough.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agencies have nowhere to hide in social media land // Danny Whatmough.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 20:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issues the PR industry faced with journalists, isn’t repeated in the social space. I’ve argued before that I think the industry needs to work together to combat these issues, not turn on itself and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: andyturner</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, you make some good points on this theme. Here are my thoughts: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, media outlets and freelance journalists can do a lot to help themselves by making it very clear (and easy to find) on their websites what their interest are and who their readers are. In an ideal world, we&#039;d all read every outlet we target, but of course we cannot. The best also make it clear to prospective PR pitchers what their preferences are (for contacts, by-line requirements, etc). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, clients need to understand that proper media targeting takes time and therefore costs more. Many don&#039;t. So it&#039;s down to us in PR to explain the cost/benefits. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Third, most journalists are loathed to accept that a good deal of their content is helped along considerably by PR folk - sometimes the entire story idea. So I&#039;m not sure you&#039;ll find many hacks who&#039;d want to identify themselves with this, although it would be nice if you could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, you make some good points on this theme. Here are my thoughts: </p>
<p>First, media outlets and freelance journalists can do a lot to help themselves by making it very clear (and easy to find) on their websites what their interest are and who their readers are. In an ideal world, we&#39;d all read every outlet we target, but of course we cannot. The best also make it clear to prospective PR pitchers what their preferences are (for contacts, by-line requirements, etc). </p>
<p>Second, clients need to understand that proper media targeting takes time and therefore costs more. Many don&#39;t. So it&#39;s down to us in PR to explain the cost/benefits. </p>
<p>Third, most journalists are loathed to accept that a good deal of their content is helped along considerably by PR folk &#8211; sometimes the entire story idea. So I&#39;m not sure you&#39;ll find many hacks who&#39;d want to identify themselves with this, although it would be nice if you could.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Whatmough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Whatmough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rob - this is all really useful and interesting stuff...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rob &#8211; this is all really useful and interesting stuff&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Dyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharing and learning is the way forward certainly; in the third sector there are some great schemes such as Media Trust&#039;s &quot;Media Connections&quot; - which places young charity PR pups in shadowing roles at local and national media institutions. There&#039;s nothing like hearing from the horse&#039;s mouth what you&#039;re doing wrong (!) and how you could improve your approach. And fantastic for forging real relationships with journos. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s also this great &#039;insider&#039; guide from the CharityComms / Voluntary Action Media Unit stable, &#039;Clever Communications&#039;, which carries lots of case studies of &#039;what worked for me&#039; and best practice for PRs: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scribd.com/doc/17742826/Clever-Communications&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.scribd.com/doc/17742826/Clever-Commu...&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rachel Beer and Jon Waddingham&#039;s &quot;Not for profit Tweetups&quot; are great spaces where charity PRs and digital media types come together to share success stories and good practice, and talk about relationship building with journalists, bloggers and so on. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Twitter has also helped me have a better rapport with journalists and bloggers, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://journalisted.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;journalisted.com&lt;/a&gt; is an amazing free resource for &#039;doing your homework&#039; and being targeted about who and where you are pitching stories. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Haste and lack of internal resources (in terms of physical people working in PR) does make you cut corners, sure - but there&#039;s a plethora of bloggers like yourself, meet-ups, and schemes that are helping to link PRs and journalists together and get us talking. Thanks for posting. Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharing and learning is the way forward certainly; in the third sector there are some great schemes such as Media Trust&#39;s &#8220;Media Connections&#8221; &#8211; which places young charity PR pups in shadowing roles at local and national media institutions. There&#39;s nothing like hearing from the horse&#39;s mouth what you&#39;re doing wrong (!) and how you could improve your approach. And fantastic for forging real relationships with journos. </p>
<p>There&#39;s also this great &#39;insider&#39; guide from the CharityComms / Voluntary Action Media Unit stable, &#39;Clever Communications&#39;, which carries lots of case studies of &#39;what worked for me&#39; and best practice for PRs: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/17742826/Clever-Communications" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/17742826/Clever-Commu&#8230;</a>.</p>
<p>Rachel Beer and Jon Waddingham&#39;s &#8220;Not for profit Tweetups&#8221; are great spaces where charity PRs and digital media types come together to share success stories and good practice, and talk about relationship building with journalists, bloggers and so on. </p>
<p>Twitter has also helped me have a better rapport with journalists and bloggers, and <a href="http://journalisted.com" rel="nofollow">journalisted.com</a> is an amazing free resource for &#39;doing your homework&#39; and being targeted about who and where you are pitching stories. </p>
<p>Haste and lack of internal resources (in terms of physical people working in PR) does make you cut corners, sure &#8211; but there&#39;s a plethora of bloggers like yourself, meet-ups, and schemes that are helping to link PRs and journalists together and get us talking. Thanks for posting. Rob</p>
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